Kaplan Community Podcast

S2 Ep 9 Rafael Alves, building communities for international students

Dr. Richard Stejer and Kieran Howard Season 2 Episode 9

Rafael Alves is an entrepreneur and founder of The Landlord.  Significant stressors for international students are finding a place to live and making new friends, especially when English is a second language.   Rafael assists international students in Melbourne to locate and settle into suitable housing in safe neighbourhoods.  Once settled, Rafael hosts social events that introduce students to each other, to living in Melbourne, and to experience multiculturalism in Australia. 

Rafael shares his experiences as an entrepreneur in Brazil and Australia.  He discusses how to raise start-up capital and the risk of servicing debt.  Listen to his strategy to manage the challenges of international border closures during the COVID-19 pandemic.   

TIMELINE
0:48      The Landlord housing business venture
1:52      Serving the international student community
2:30      Connecting with international student groups in Melbourne
4:29      Combatting loneliness
6:32      Integrated services in Landlord Housing
9:01      Digital entrepreneurship and marketing
10:44   Entrepreneur's curse and crowdfunding for resources
13:04   Bravery of entrepreneurship
14:51   How to raise money for a start-up
17:08   Ease of start-ups in Australia vs Latin America
18:47   Advice to start your own business in Australia
19:38   Dilemma of growing the business or a career!
23:38   Rafael's experience in KBS MBA course
25:25   Memorable contributions of MBA subjects
27:15   Rafael's continuous learning objectives

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Hello. My name is Rafael. 

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Today, we're happy
 to have one of our alumni,

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Rafael Alves, who graduated
 last year with an MBA.

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How are you doing, Rafael? 

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Oh, good guys about yourselves.

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Everything good that
 with the lockdown's over there. Good.

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Be as good as well as can be expected
 during a lockdown.

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I hope all is well with you. 

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And thanks for having me,
 guys, by the way.

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Thank you for being here. 

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You're an entrepreneur
 and you've founded the landlord. Amazing.

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Can you just tell us about your business?

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So the landlord housing was a business

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that I started in 2016
 when I came to Australia.

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Entrepreneurship is a big passion for me.

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So it wasn't different in Australia. 

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I came here. You don't 

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find the opportunities that I wanted,
 so it just created them.

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The landlord housing was
 the idea was to create a community

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of international students
 linked to one of the challenges we face

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here, that is housing, finding
 housing in Melbourne's rehospitalized.

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Majority of the owners don't like to rent
 for international students.

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I think also there is a lot of paperwork
 that sometimes we cannot provide.

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So the idea was to create something easier
 for international students

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or a place to stay on stable, clean,
 and that no bureaucracy at all.

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So just coming in. You're welcome.
 That was the idea.

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And that we saw any excellent.

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I'm particularly glad that you're opening
 up to the international community.

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I'm curious, how many different
 nationalities do you actually have?

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It varies a lot. 

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There is a lot. Historically,
 I would say it's mostly Brazilians,

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people from Philippines as well,

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a lot of Europeans from France easily.

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It's a big mix. But I would say, like
 historically, most of them are Brazilians.

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It's great to hear that you've got a mix. 

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And it does make sense, of course,
 dealing with international students,

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any business there. 

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You have to figure out
 how to connect culturally.

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Do you have plans
 or do you sort of strategize about

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how to connect with other student groups
 like the main nationality student groups

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in Melbourne, I believe would be Indian
 subcontinent Chinese.

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So do you approach these groups
 from your business as well?

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We don't have like this
 fake nationality to target ISIS.

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We believe like we want
 everybody to come in.

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We try not to specialize
 in any specific culture.

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We learn by experience. 

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So when someone comes
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We try to play a little bit more of
 just like we do a lot of marketing around,

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try to convince people
 that we understand about them.

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We I believe, like
 not only convince us to prove them,

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we understand them,
 but we don't target anything specific.

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What we have done so far
 is like we have some

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some programs, but some events
 to try to put a room together.

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So we have the yoga classes also.

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Once in a while I used to drop
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Just say, guys, get some pizza for us,
 let's have a chat.

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Things like that. 

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And this is the way I found
 whatever everyone connected.

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And that was quite interesting
 within their departments.

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We could feel sometimes like Japanese,
 sometimes a bit more shy.

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And Pruessing is extremely extrovert.

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So like that moment
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the guys was a moment to say, guys,
 everybody here together.

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A man slowly, gradually,
 we started like breaking those walls.

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Some can do that by themselves.

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It happens quite often as well. 

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So and different approach
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but always within the company outside.

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So there would be different.
 We try to be equal.

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I'm particularly interested
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because you're bringing in 

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different people and you're actually
 having a social connection.

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And we know that loneliness is
 a huge thing for international students.

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Really, any migrant. 

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So when you're getting together,
 what kinds of things do you talk about?

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What do you what do people tell you
 are the pressures that they're feeling and

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where you can help out?

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I would say the first 

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to start students
 are looking for a place to stay.

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This actually was the biggest Modise
 for me to start the company.

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We come to Australia 

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and we start feeling anxious
 because we cannot find a place to stay.

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So we don't feel safe to the other.

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We don't know much people.
 So we also feel lonely.

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So it's a little bit challenging as well.

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And of course, like the pressure
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all those stuff like that, 

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I would say that's pretty
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and sometimes it's up to us about it.

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It was a big time
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with Bennets about this topic. 

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Anxiety, like always. 

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They're always there in a way.

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I think that's. See it like. Did
 I answer your question, Richard?

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Yeah, because I'm thinking about
 when I first got to Australia,

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so I did find my own chair accommodation,
 but then I had to get to know

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a set of flatmates. 

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And I found that to be difficult
 because I didn't know

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I didn't have a common thing
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So to have a service like what
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and just coming by and socializing
 and helping me to get to know

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people would have been terrific
 when I came to Australia.

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And Karen, you probably had the same
 experience as well, I would think.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well,
 you know, it's always a journey

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and it has challenges
 when you're navigating a new city.

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A new country, actually, Rafael.

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I looked through your marketing a bit,
 and I'll say when it comes to

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sort of support and well being 

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your Instagram, I think that may be
 one of your main communication channels.

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When I looked at your instr,
 I just felt like relief.

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That was one of the main 

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sort of things that feelings
 that came to me from looking at it.

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You've got different services
 of government support for students.

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You've got people who have won 

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grants, you've got like meditation
 days, stuff like that.

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So it seems like you have integrated that

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into part of your value proposition
 wellbeing. Exactly.

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We have very customer
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So everything we do,
 we do for our customers,

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our tenants seems to understand
 those those factors around wellbeing.

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Then again, I will mention, Govi,
 we have to help our community.

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That's just basic logic. 

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If I don't help them, I don't have them. 

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I don't have my revenue disparity,
 of course, like it's

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something that I enjoy
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But I have to see from the perspective
 of the business as well,

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I have to maintain
 those kind of approach to keep my my

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my international students well,
 even with those habits.

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You mentioned the rental eved helping

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people with rental leave,
 if that was a big step for us as well.

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So we decided, like we saw that
 international students were scrambling.

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We straight away gave our introduction
 for all of our tenants.

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No exclusion. Everybody received that.

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Nobody has had to ask us.

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It's amazing. Well done.
 Thanks, Ben. Thanks.

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And that just straight away, we saw that
 government, the Victorian government

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announcing the rent relief rent

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and that we know people
 just like sometimes get lost.

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The language is a big barrier
 as well for international students.

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So majority of our Devastator
 know how to apply for the grants.

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So we created the guides. We publish that.

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And we didn't expect
 but we had like a lot of downloads

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from on our tenants, people from outside,
 and the people calling us out

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asking for help, like how did you apply
 and like just follow the guide.

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So it was a pretty what was pleasant
 actually helping everybody.

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And Senor's well, everybody going through
 this is this pandemic staying with us.

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I know that you're
 doing the marketing and the

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and getting out this message, particularly
 with the written relief grant.

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I understand that it was downloaded
 by 22000 people.

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Is that correct? 

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Yes, that is what a success.

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So my question is,
 how can you get the message out

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even further from thousand
 now to, you know, 100000 in the future?

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How can you get that message out through, 

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you know, your digital
 entrepreneurship and marketing?

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I think the the main street
 they use strategy

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for us is always focusing
 on the generations to them.

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So we believe, Evgeniya,

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a close relationship with them
 and helping them, supporting them.

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They automatically multiply
 every communication we have.

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Apart from that, we also invest
 a lot of our on our own networks.

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So shtoom agencies around
 us, immigrant agencies,

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schools, anyone part of the international
 the international students community.

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We try to use it to use like
 but to influence a little bit.

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And once they see the benefits,
 just shery, it's pretty, pretty easy.

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And that's our strategy. 

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Talking specifically
 about the Tour de France.

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We don't expect it to to go much further,

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because every time someone sees our names,

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they call us, they try to get in touch.

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And these we get a B portion of people
 like a lot of people get in touch with us.

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We can just provide them. 

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And this is something
 that we are very concerned all the time.

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We must supply everybody and train plows.

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So that's why we are trying not to spread

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to to roll out the guides for the.

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But anyway, our strategy is always,
 as I was saying, is always focusing

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on our students,
 expecting them to multiply everything

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we say to them, to
 multiply our business ideas.

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Well, you know, I've heard that problem
 when people try to call you

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because you get well known
 and then people want to contact you

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and then you're under pressure to respond 

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when you really don't
 have the capacity or the time.

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I've heard that called
 the entrepreneur's curse.

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So you're growing and that success
 is your own downfall, so to speak.

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So now I guess we're getting into that
 topic of funding, crowdfunding, and

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how are you going to get more resources
 in to grow the business?

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What's your experience
 with crowdfunding and clav and collecting

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that kind of funds?
 You need to grow the business.

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So it was a pretty 

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interesting journey, actually,
 something that I very much enjoyed.

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I invested all my money on it,

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so when I was 16,
 I had like maybe, I don't know,

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like five percent of the money
 I needed to to run a business to business.

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And I started getting touch with people
 around myself like friends, family.

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I remember like learning that in Kaplow,
 like all these, I think

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three Fs, something
 like that. Friends, family.

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And so I went around
 those people, had a chat with them,

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explaining to them
 what business was about.

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Before doing that. 

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I had the first version,
 let's say I rented one apartment,

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I rent a kind of trial.

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So in my home, I was doing everything
 to learn from experience.

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You know what I I needed to have what
 I needed to do to get it working nicely.

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And I offered up afterwards just for look,

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I have a business already
 running my home right now.

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I want to expand that.
 So I need that money.

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So I come in and
 those few people just accept it.

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And I used that base from Sony, which
 means they put the money in every month.

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I was paying kind of interest to them.

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It's pretty much like a loan. 

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And after in 2019,
 we paid everything else.

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So all the money they gave us, we return

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each of them and blustery
 all the time between 2016 and nineteen.

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We kept paying them some interest
 and the worked pretty well.

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We raised a hundred thirty
 eight thousand at that time.

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That was enough to break
 the landlord policy. 

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You know, I really admire entrepreneurs

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because I consider it
 a very brave thing to do.

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It's taking on quite a bit of risk.

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And when you say, I mean, she's one
 hundred thirty eight thousand and that's

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one hundred thirty eight thousand of debt
 and you paid it off.

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I think many people admire entrepreneurs.

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You've got creativity, determination,
 but it's not always easy.

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So what has been a main challenge

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that you've had in starting your business
 and getting it to this point?

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You know, try to say I'm
 majoring in Australia

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because I have that training resume
 as well, which was completely different.

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But in Australia, I would say 

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the language was the main challenge
 and also some controlled areas.

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So a lot of people, just like I said at
 the beginning, they didn't trust me much.

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But I think the secret is just like going
 like you're receiving no text.

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No. Next, no. Next. Once you get a yes.

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A pass from bats. Let me see.

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There are several reasons. 

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Just don't think about it.
 Just just do it.

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That's a secret.
 Don't don't think too much. Just do it.

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If you feel your G is good,
 you have also like you have tried

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your business as indeed as a small size,

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all 18, I think MVP business. Right.

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So try to be if everything is working
 well, just jouyet.

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Don't think twice.

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I think it took a lot of courage. 

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And I'm kind of going on
 with what Kiran mentioned earlier.

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I think it takes a lot of courage. 

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To do the three, three F's, sorry,
 that's for folks and family.

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So my question really is
 and I'm very curious, 

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you maintain those stakeholder
 relationships. You paid back

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the money and you've obviously got good
 relationships with them.

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What advice would you give to
 a new entrepreneur

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who has never raised money before? 

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First, see their options like they are.

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A bunch of options like banks 

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can give you some money from funding
 is always an option.

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It also those days websites
 that can help us with that.

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And they have a lot
 of other other choices for us.

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But I would say, like the main advice
 would be be honest with yourself

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and with all of us. 

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Oh, sometimes just like we create
 a scenario, not very realistic.

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And then we start believing
 that so as to care

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for a business that because once you let's
 say you say to your potential investor,

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then you can make them
 a million dollars in one day.

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Why not be achievable? 

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You're going to lose the guy
 after one month. 

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So be honest with yourself
 this year you would,

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but also be honest with the investors
 when you say everything to them,

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make sure they understand the risks.

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As we know, any business,
 that bunch of risks.

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So make clear. Make
 every single information clear with them.

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As you said already, keep a close,
 close conversation with them as well.

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Otherwise, investors can start
 feeling a bit like unsure about things.

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So keep a close conversation.

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Close the numbers. 

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Make sure that the road map

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is also even translated them
 the way they can understand and that try.

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But the base is the basic thing,
 I would say is honest.

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Be honest about everything you do.

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It's interesting, your experience
 as an international entrepreneur and you

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know, right before coming to Australia,
 I was an entrepreneur in Brazil.

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So, yeah, in in Salvador and in Rio.

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So I'm interested in your experience.

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You said, you know, completely different
 here, and I can agree with that.

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I started a company
 in California, pretty much

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copied the business model,
 and it worked really well in Brazil.

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But then when I tried to do 

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the same thing here in Sydney,
 it just totally bombed for a few reasons.

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Just you could not do the same thing.

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So what do you find to be
 the main differences for, say,

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starting a company in Australia
 versus Latin America?

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Paperwork in the red states
 Stratis Pretty's.

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Just go to a SEC website.

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Register your business name. Get a B.A..

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If you have to get on the stand
 as well, everything's

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pretty straightforward
 and there is some trust.

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I feel that as well in Brazil will have to
 prove everything you're saying.

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So if you have a business account
 and you're going to open your

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your ABN, for example,
 you have to mention everything.

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You have to give the proof
 that you have the account

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and be able to open the business

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and that you know, that you just marked
 a check on the application.

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I declare that I have these
 and then everything is done that.

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Very easy. Very quick. 

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So that was the main
 difference, I would say.

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Yeah, I think that that's the main one.

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I mean, parts of
 the bureaucracy is completely.

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There's no work or. Right, Ryan. 

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We have to do a lot of stuff before
 and is spending a lot of money as well

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or start the business.

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It's true in Australia, 

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if you've got a good idea
 and you're really sort of,

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oh, I want to start a company, 

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you can pretty much do it tomorrow
 because it's pretty

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you can go and get yourself an ABN
 and the company bank account

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that those parts are pretty simple. 

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But what would you say if you somebody
 who's got a good idea, they're considering

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starting a company, what would you say
 to them about your advice?

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You mean like the difference is they
 should open in Brazil or in Australia?

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No, I just mean somebody say
 a CBIA student or a fellow

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alumnus who's got a good idea,
 they're here in Australia

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and they're considering,
 should I start a company and what do I do?

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What would your advice to them be? 

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I would say realname the ismo, just try

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your version of your business if it works.

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Go to the next step. 

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Don't don't get burned out by several onse
 like how it's going

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to be how I'm going to pay

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my employees my bills. 

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Don't think too much. 

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Just run and defeat and see how it goes.

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Learn from it and try to escalate
 the business afterwards.

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You know, my experience,
 I came from the United States

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and I was I was a management 

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consultant in the United States,
 and then I came to Australia

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and I too, started my own company
 and tried consulting.

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The big benefit that I got out of starting
 that company in Australia

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was that I learned how to be self-reliant

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so few times in and out of my career.

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I've gone back into self employment
 and come out, get a job,

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go back into self employment.
 And I've really grown my career that way.

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So I'm curious. Is there
 would there be a time when you either

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step aside from the landlord housing

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or would you grow it
 and take on a different role?

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What's your plan for
 for the future of the company?

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I've just done exactly what you mentioned. 

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Right now, I'm also working for them.

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I don't know if you knew that. 

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Yeah, I've heard about mentioning that
 I'm working with compliance right now.

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Well done. Well done. 

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Yeah. Congrats. Welcome to the team. 

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Thank you very much. 

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And they had to choose. 

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I think we'd say the English
 step back, isn't it? 

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Like, oh, gee, it 

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was really harsh for us. 

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Just like we lost six to nine
 percent of the company about six days.

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So right now, we are trying to review
 that. This moment, they had no choice

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but to go back to to the industry,
 working for somebody in a way to just like

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get some stronger, a little bit
 like after 40 months fighting Covid.

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It's just like we need to to get some
 some power before going to the next step.

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And for the future of the landlord
 to return to the same lands

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as to the same, like just
 we keep expanding on demand.

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So we get more students,
 we expand one more accommodation.

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We keep on going that way
 in the same way we have less students.

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We also decrease, we train to gain.

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So it's pretty flexible. 

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And that has been our strategy. 

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So these borders are closed. 

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We're trying to be
 more conservative right now.

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Like with every single step going
 very slowly understanding that

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the scenario not you create new problems.

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I don't have years to say to you
 about expansion, about the future.

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We still look for our our way out of it.

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We don't know what's
 going on in Australia. 

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So at the same time, I don't know
 what's going on in the business right now.

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We have new lockdowns in a way,
 going slowly day by day.

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That's how I answer at this moment. 

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The thing your story that you've just
 mentioned rings true for your resilience,

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as well as your optimism,
 which I think is both key for success in

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anything you do,
 particularly with entrepreneurship,

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where it is sometimes ups and downs
 and you can't control the downs.

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So you need to figure out, like you
 said, you need to back away and and work

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with KB's and compliance. 

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So congratulations on being a team member,
 but also keeping your your eye

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on the vision of the landlord housing.

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We'll call it a project in a company, both
 because as generation.

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Yeah. One thing that I should mention
 in research is that we create

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that impression that entrepreneurs
 has to be strong and time. And we are not.

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We are just human beings. 

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But as I as I think like what
 you are wrong right there.

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Don't cry in front of
 strapline. If they cry that

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you're going to find one solution. 

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Just takes a while sometimes. 

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And Covid has been
 for two months, a long time.

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I'm not 14 months.
 I'm sorry. Well, very well.

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That's you're much more than a year. 

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And that but take our time. 

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But when you're in front of your team,

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you're in front of others,
 just try to be positive.

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That's that's the most important. 

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One answer will come up. 

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Just just have to be patient. 

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And that that's the
 that's something that I learned from

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all the actually just the patient.

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So I'm interested. 

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Rafael now you're a Kaplan employee
 and you're an alumnus.

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I'd love to know more
 about your KB's experience

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because you came and did an MBA.

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How do you feel like that? 

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I feel like MBAs are just so
 well suited for entrepreneurs.

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I don't know if it's designed
 for entrepreneurs, but

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do you think that it helped
 you on that journey

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or what was something that you took
 away from the experience?

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Now, not lots, but
 first with the discipline,

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I always think that I can improve the way

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how I commit to things like usually it's
 a lot of things going on at the same time,

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we just have to take in way
 any any direction and go deal.

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Go back and manage everything again.

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And sometimes, like discipline
 helps us organize our time, our tasks.

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This is pretty important. 

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And for sure, my experience
 doing the master's

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tapes helped me with that.

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The other side would be the management
 side of the learning,

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a little bit more about managing people,
 managing numbers, numbers

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a little bit easier for me
 because I have I.T.

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background, but I've been learning
 that since at least 18.

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So being specific
 in those kind of knowledge

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and Kaplan just like expand
 everything just changed.

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Like I she had much more experience.

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I was speaking to a lecturer
 that had a lot to share with me as well.

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Not only that, the academic thing
 and the experiences where we were sharing.

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So I'd say those points was really
 important, were really important for me.

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I learned very much to get
 a better discipline and also to know

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better how to manage my business,
 how to manage my life.

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What were they, the subjects in the MBA
 that you found most valuable

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for starting up your business
 and giving you that

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discipline, that confidence
 that is keeping you going today?

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I would say every single subject
 was pretty important for me.

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But anything related to people,

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the average psychology,
 I think, helped them a little bit more

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understanding the shooting
 cycle like that.

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00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,520
When we talk about consumer behavior
 and marketing psychology,

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when we talk about business psychology
 as well, just real people.

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So when we understand 

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how our brain works is much easier
 to deal with us, with ourselves.

451
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,560
We become better leaders,
 better sellers or sellers.

452
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,640
So I would say that
 any subject related to the average

453
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,800
psychology was the one
 that mostly taught me, let's say.

454
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,800
But it very much enjoyed as well
 that analysis, which gave me another

455
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,880
another changed a little bit
 the strategy of the company before.

456
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,360
We used to have a lot of Beckers
 leaving with us,

457
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,360
and which I enjoyed,
 to be very honest when.

458
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,920
But when we checked the data, backpacker's

459
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,920
was a stay at least two months,
 the last generation of students,

460
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,760
which means we had to spend more money
 to lease properties.

461
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,200
So we changed the strategy. 

462
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,920
Later, we start focusing
 in the international students

463
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,280
to get them staying with us for longer

464
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,640
and longer term, meaning less cost for us.

465
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,400
So was also that an understanding
 that it would be cheaper?

466
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,480
That analysis was really important for us.

467
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,440
So I would stick with that like consumer
 behavior, business psychology.

468
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,880
And that analysis might have been
 my favorite subjects.

469
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,000
Are there any areas
 that you think you want

470
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,920
to keep on learning or you plan
 to develop yourself in the future?

471
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,400
Either shoot and you don't have like
 a specific subject talking about that.

472
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,200
But when dealing with people in COACHER,
 when dealing with

473
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,840
business, psychology
 is just a bunch of interesting things.

474
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,080
I think I want you to go a little bit
 deeper management.

475
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,680
To be honest, I don't. 

476
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,240
That's not what I. 

477
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,040
I know how to do. I do enough.

478
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,160
And I want you to learn new things. 

479
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,400
I think that's a big,
 big basket of knowledge to learn.

480
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,120
You mentioned leadership as being
 really important to entrepreneurship.

481
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,720
And then you mentioned
 that you don't like management. 

482
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,560
And I know exactly what you mean. 

483
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,080
And I just wanted to kind of clarify
 for our audience. Leadership

484
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,640
is about setting goals, directions
 and that entrepreneurial spirit.

485
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:12,240
And management is setting the analysis,
 the KPIs and performance in general.

486
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,360
So I just would like your
 your thoughts on that, that

487
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,240
because you value the human psychology
 aspect, you're valuing leadership.

488
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,040
And the data analysis
 is only just important for for management.

489
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,680
Look, I think the leadership is
 when you create the movement.

490
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,800
And that's the most pleasant part

491
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,840
of the business, I think, right,
 dealing with people, talking to them,

492
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,080
understanding them,
 finding solutions for them.

493
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,240
Why are the management parties
 just like just, again, paperwork?

494
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,080
I personally feel like I could be doing

495
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,840
something more important or more relevant
 that is dealing with people.

496
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,040
Also, since I'm a systems analyst,

497
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,040
I believe that people ought to be done
 by systems and the mean why

498
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,520
we invest our time dealing with people,
 talking to each other.

499
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,280
But since you said about the importance

500
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,840
of leadership, again, you saw the movement
 starts and management.

501
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,120
I see how we keep these movements,
 how we manage these movements, make sure

502
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,200
we get the best performance we can.

503
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,960
And we have to remember that
 a great leader also thinks

504
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,000
about the management side. 

505
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,480
So, you know, everything's
 right on their toes, but also important.

506
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,680
But for me, at least, 

507
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,920
the leadership is the most pleasant part
 and the weather changes really happen.

508
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,480
That's really great analysis there.

509
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,280
I think Rafael and I know
 I've learned a lot.

510
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,000
I'm excited to see your entrepreneurial
 journey continue.

511
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,800
Watch the landlord housing
 as it continues to grow.

512
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280
I'm sure there's a great rebound
 in the future there.

513
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,400
And so thank you very much for coming
 and being on the show with us.

514
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Thank you very much, guys.
 Thank you, Rafael. 

515
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,840
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